Tuesday, June 12, 2018

Pie in the Sky By and By - Results of Kim/Trump Meeting

Pie in the Sky By and By

The old saying: "Pie in the Sky By and By" comes to mind while reading the reports about the meeting and the document signed yesterday by US president Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un amidst great pomp and circumstance.  As Stephen Lendman and other analysts have said already, there isn't much meat on the bones of the four point agreement.  Here are the four points from Stephen Lendman:


The document includes four major terms agreed on with no elaboration:
1. The US and DPRK commit to establish new bilateral relations in pursuit of peace and prosperity.
2. Both countries will work toward building a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean peninsula.
3. In accordance with the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.
4. Both countries commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.
Follow-up talks between Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his North Korean counterpart will be held “at the earliest possible date.”

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Greencrow says:  The above four points remind me of times, back in my university days when I was writing an exam that called for detail.  If I was unprepared then I would write some ideas in point form that "stated the obvious", hoping the fact that I had separated and numbered the items would hide the fact that I didn't know any specific details about the topic.  This distinct lack of substance was also noted in a BBC report. Please read and I will have further comments to follow:


Observers say the document lacks substance, in particular on how denuclearisation would be achieved.

However, speaking to reporters after, Mr Trump said:

The US would suspend "provocative" war games it holds with South Korea. Mr Trump said he wanted to see US troops withdraw from the South. A spokesperson for the US forces said they had yet to receive any new guidance

On denuclearisation, he said that Mr Kim had agreed to it being "verified", a key US demand ahead of the meeting

Mr Trump said Mr Kim had also agreed to destroy a "major missile engine testing site"

But he said sanctions would remain in place for now and argued "we haven't given up anything".

Several reporters asked whether Mr Trump had raised the issue of human rights with Mr Kim, who runs a totalitarian regime with extreme censorship and forced-labour camps.

Missed chance to discuss human rights, says defector

The US president said he had, and did not retract his description of Mr Kim as "talented".

"Well, he is very talented," Mr Trump said. "Anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it tough. I don't say he was nice."

In a post-summit interview with ABC News, the president said he was confident that the agreement meant full denuclearisation.

"Yeah, he's de-nuking, I mean he's de-nuking the whole place. It's going to start very quickly. I think he's going to start now," he said.

"I think he trusts me and I trust him," Mr Trump added.

What's the reaction been?

Largely positive. South Korean President Moon Jae-in, who held his own meeting with Mr Kim earlier this year, said the "two Koreas and US will write new history of peace and co-operation".

A spokesman, though, also said the "exact meaning and intention" of what Mr Trump had said "needs to be assessed".

China, North Korea's only major diplomatic and economic ally, also said the meeting created a "new history". The foreign ministry said sanctions on North Korea could be eased if it stuck to UN resolutions.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe praised President Trump's "leadership and effort", saying he supported North Korea's pledge on denuclearisation as "a step towards the comprehensive resolution of issues around North Korea".

But Russia warned that the "devil is in the detail" and Iran said North Korea should not trust the US. Mr Trump recently pulled the US out of a nuclear deal with Iran.

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The only time that Trump didn't veer from his chosen path of "saying nothing"... was when he said in comments to the press AFTER THE MEETING WITH KIM, that the US would stop its provocative "war games" off the North Korean coast.  Here is the report from Iran's national news site PressTV:

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Trump says to end 'expensive', 'provocative' war games with South Korea 



"US President Donald Trump says the United States was stopping “very provocative” and expensive military exercises with South Korea to facilitate denuclearization negotiations with North Korea.

The United States and South Korea hold regular military drills to the fury of North Korea, which has long seen the drills as preparations to invade it.

“The war games are very expensive, we pay for the majority of them,” Trump told a news conference on Tuesday in Singapore after a historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

“Under the circumstances, that we’re negotiating ... I think it’s inappropriate to be having war games.”

According to Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Bahram Ghasemi:
“U.S. has a long history of broken promises of international treaties [and], we believe that the North Korean government should be cautious of U.S. repetitive failures to fulfill its obligations and pledges,” Ghasemi was quoted as saying.
Following Tuesday’s summit Iran again repeated its warning against trusting any deal with U.S. President Donald Trump:
“We are facing a person who backtracks from his signature as he travels on a plane”, Fars news agency quoted an official.".
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Greencrow says: So, it would appear we have something new and tangible from Trump out of his trip to Singapore after all. He said that the US military will stop its war games off the North Korean coast. Unfortunately, he forgot to tell his military about this promise. In the past, US Presidents and Secretary's of State [notably John Kerry re Syria] have made similar commitments-- only to have them immediately (if not sooner) broken by the military--one or the other half of the divided [MosCIAd vs. Pentagon] military that have been warring with each other in an undeclared civil war in the US for years now.
I am going to bet, here and now that Trump probably didn't vet the commitment to end war games with the military and they will continue the drills and provocations as per usual.  Remember, you read it here first.
But Trump was totally reliable in one respect.  In each and every encounter with a foreign head of state, ever since he came to office...he has faithfully committed at least one social gaffe.  These are precisely the kinds of gaffes that make you wonder whether he's not at least in the early stages of dementia.  They show a level of childlike narcissism, a social illiteracy, a labile affect that is far beyond the norm.  Most children are taught by their parents the social rule that, when in polite company: "Personal remarks are Never in good taste!"
Here we have Trump making a "fat joke" at his and Kim's expense.  From RT:

Footage from the event shows US president and the North Korean leader preparing to take their seats on opposite sides of a dining room table at the Capella Hotel on the resort island of Sentosa. A buoyant Trump then addresses the photographers, saying: “Getting a good picture everybody – so we all look nice, handsome and thin and perfect.”

The camera then pans to the rotund Kim who seemed startled and a little embarrassed as his translator repeats Trump’s comments back to him. Journalists in attendance reported that the North Korean leader appeared “stunned” by the remarks – although he reportedly smiled after sitting down.

"....So that we look handsome, thin and "perfect".

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What is the definition of Labile Affect?

Labile Affect

Pathological emotional expression, generally due to neurological degeneration or other complications; may or may not be mood-congruent. In other words, the patient might sob uncontrollably in an only moderately sad situation (an excessive but mood-congruent reaction), or he or she might also cry when upset or angry (a mood-incongruent reaction). Labile affect is also known as pseudobulbar affect, emotional incontinence, or involuntary emotional expression disorder (IEED).
Example: In describing her marriage, a woman is sobbing bitterly one moment, then laughing wildly the next.

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Trump is pathologically obsessed with physical appearance.  This is a symptom of something deeper and should be professionally assessed because, at the very least, it could affect his judgment during a negotiation, when he is so distracted by superficialities.  Just sayin'.

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

I think the Korean leader wants to join progress
He wants to get in the game
He is very young
You could see the grin like a little boy going to the carnival or amusement park.
I do agree with not trusting from our government because they do the same to the citizens
My line to people
Never trust paleface
He speaks with forked tongue
I will say
Just like an Indian said
Never trust paleface
He speaks with forked tongue
I have a lot to say about truth
But not now
I saw this Dennis Rodman interview not live for I really can not sit and watch these talking heads,although on big events I will tune in for a few soundbites
I have one with that Greek who worked with the Clinton's George Step
When he was pushing the issue on human rights and the police state
He George
What about our police state??
He George
What about our human rights violations???
I started bitc- slapping the television
He made me mad that he can shape opinion
Bitc- slap that television
Did you feel it George???
I doubt it cuz he was still an ignorant spinning or talking head.
OK
This is the Rodman interview and he said things that I saw at there meeting
I watched this after seeing the meeting and getting that feeling
I felt psychic
Quick slap me
Maybe it was not psychic but just a good guess
Also the reason why Amerika may be trusted
He has not done some of the things the other leaders who trusted that got burned
I am not very sure of that fact
But aside from playing with his toys aka missiles
What has he done???
Then what are some things the people who trusted us were guilty of???
I ponder that fact as far as trust
Otherwise I am with you on thatOK
Now the interview fronn cnn with Dennis

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sTwHb_1528771627