Thursday, October 19, 2017

The Catalonia Independence Crisis....Real movement...or another "Maidan"?

Map of Spain showing 17 autonomous Regions

This morning I'm finally getting around to posting on the independence crisis in Catalonia, Spain.  I've been distracted recently by the False Flag in Las Vegas Nevada.  But since that was sent down the memory hole yesterday with the faux interview of the chief witness on the "Ellen" TV show, we will have somewhat of a breather--before the inevitable next assault on sanity, reason and humanity.

The situation in Catalonia is very complicated and, for a long time I was on the fence about who is "right" in the ancient region of Catalonia, the pro independence...or the pro unity forces.  I was in Spain and Barcelona on holidays in 2015 and was stunned at the beauty of the region in general and the city of Barcelona in particular.  The Catalonians have a lot to be proud of and they are a very proud people.

It seems that the Spanish government has been slow off the mark in dealing with the insurgency.  They had backed off and were tolerant of the independence movement right up to the moment that the pro Independence movement handily won the referendum (while it appears from the pie chart in the link below that the majority did not vote at all.)

The Catalonia parliament approved an independence referendum which went ahead on 1 October despite being suspended by Spain's Constitutional Court.
The Spanish government tried to stop voting and hundreds of people were hurt in scuffles with police at polling stations.

While Catalan authorities say just under 90% of voters backed independence, turnout was only 43%.

Just today the government in Madrid has thrown off their "tolerance" of the independence movement and are "cracking down" on the leaders and on the region.

From RT
The Spanish Government announced that it is about to begin with the procedures for the application of the Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution in the autonomous region of Catalonia.

In its statement, the Spanish government said it will begin with procedures for the application of the Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution, which allows the central government in Madrid to suspend the political autonomy of a region if it breaks the law or declares independence.

According to the current plans, the procedures for the application of Article 155 are set to begin on Saturday, October 21st.
From Fort Russ
The Prime Minister of Spain Mariano Rajoy also sent a letter to the Catalonian regional leader Carles Puigdemont, urging him to clarify the position on the region's independence. The latter failed to do so, though he said the Catalonian side is always ready for a dialogue with Madrid, adding that the region might declare its independence in the case of absence of a dialogue with Madrid.

In the past, the Spanish government has already warned of a possibility to begin with the application of the article 155.

The Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution allows the central government in Madrid it to take over the running of an autonomous region, should it declare independence or violate the constitution. It is considered an extreme measure and can only be applied with the consent of the absolute majority in the Senate.  
Currently, there are 17 autonomous communities in Spain.

There is no doubt in my mind that the pro-independence movement is very popular on the streets of Barcelona.  While we were there, "Catalonian" flags flew from every second building...and all the Catalonians we spoke to about the topic (guides and taxi drivers) were pro independence.  One warm late summer evening, while we were on the rooftop café of our hotel in central Barcelona, enjoying a drink under the Barcelona star-filled night sky and gazing at the city skyline....we heard the rumble of a loud demonstration marching down the street.  We asked the server what it was and were told it was just another in the endless series of public pro independence demonstrations.

At the time, I was concerned by the all sounded vaguely and disturbingly familiar to me.  I grew up in Ontario, Canada in the 1960's and 70's during the time of the pro-independence movement in the neighbouring province of Quebec.  From the perspective of an Ontarian...the Quebec independence movement was a non-starter.  A province smack in the middle of a country wants to become independent and thus fracture my country into two?   No.  A province that is and always has been a net "taker" from the federal purse believes it is getting a "raw deal"?  No.  But according to the constitution, Quebec did have the legal right to conduct an independence referendum and, based on a victory in that referendum, negotiate an "exit" from the Canadian federation.

Luckily, the pro-unity faction won the vote and Canada still exists today.  I must add that I have always been skeptical about that referendum vote.  It was very close, just a percentage point apart and I believe there was some "fudging" going on at the ballot box.  I also believe that the pro-independence faction was financially and politically (the media coverage) supported by the usual "divide and conquer" suspects in New York.  If Canada had broken up....we knew that the vultures were already sitting high on their branches waiting to swoop down and pick the carrion from the Canadian carcass....ah but that is still a NAU work in progress, folks.

But, back to what is happening in Catalonia, Spain.  The people we spoke to during our holiday there sound very much like the Quebeccers did back in the 60's and 70's....all filled with "patriotic fervor" and love of the Catalonia homeland and resentful of the rest of Spain which they described to be parasitic and fundamentally unfair vis a vis the division of the taxes paid by the people of Catalan to the federal coffers.  Catalonia was not getting their fair share.  Believe it or not, the Quebec Libre's sounded the same, even though Canada pays Quebec a healthy "bonus" to stay in Canada, the Quebecois felt aggrieved financially, but, more importantly they felt that their French culture was slowly being eroded, surrounded as it is by an English speaking society. BTW, the gambit the perps used in the Quebec referendum and in a later constitutional crisis was that...they kept telling the Quebecois how "distinct" they were.  They made up a catch phrase "distinct society" to explain why Quebecois needed their own space.

Coincidentally, Catalonia's history also includes strong French roots and affinity.  Looking at the map above, you will see that it borders France and actually belonged to France at certain points during the last two thousand years.

So, in my opinion, the Catalonians, like the French Quebecois are, to an extent, living in the past...and trying to preserve something which is slip-sliding away.  But it appears that Spain, like Canada, has already given a lot of independence to its regions, calling them "autonomous".  So I believe that what is happening in Catalonia is, again, similar to what happened in Quebec--i.e.,some deep-pocketed foreign-based "divide and conquer" entities are stirring up the population of Catalonia and filling the heads of the people with nationalistic dreams of "pie in the sky" independence. Because Joan Miro and Antoni Gaudi came from there and their art work and architecture is unique...because they have some French in their blood...whatever...this is how they dupe the silly masses.  Hey, it works for the rank and file Jews, doesn't it?  They are told they are the "chosen people". Who doesn't want to be special and to be recognized as such?

Here is a link from RT that supports this notion:

"Are Catalonian nationalists copying Maidan's ‘propaganda’ handbook? (VIDEOS)
Published time: 17 Oct, 2017 16:31
[discusses two videos, one from Ukraine and one from Catalan that appear to be appealing to nationalist fervor and are "pro independence"]

"....both videos contain footage of police brutality, and both call on the audience to help them by sharing the video to defend democracy, or European values.
At the end of both videos, viewers are warned to support the cause, “before it’s too late.”  
The video was shared on social media and raised some questions, criticisms and debate...."  

From the BBC

"Spain is to start suspending Catalonia's autonomy from Saturday, as the region's leader threatens to declare independence.

The government said ministers would meet to activate Article 155 of the constitution, allowing it to take over running of the region.

Catalonia's leader said the region's parliament would vote on independence if Spain continued "repression".

Catalans voted to secede in a referendum outlawed by Spain.

Some fear the latest moves could spark further unrest after mass demonstrations before and since the ballot on 1 October.

Spain's supreme court declared the vote illegal and said it violated the constitution, which describes the country as indivisible.

Article 155 of the constitution, which cemented democratic rule three years after the death of dictator General Francisco Franco in 1975, allows Madrid to impose direct rule in a crisis but it has never been invoked.

BBC Madrid correspondent Tom Burridge says that for Madrid this is about upholding the rule of law in Catalonia, protecting the Spanish constitution and disciplining what it sees as an unruly, disobedient devolved government.

However, the central government wants to minimise the risk of large-scale demonstrations, our correspondent says. Civil servants and government lawyers have thought long and hard about what measures to adopt and when and how they should be implemented.

Now that the pot has been stirred, the BBC stands back and assumes the pose of the objective bystander, onlooker.  But Putin is not fooled.  Read the following from RT, where Putin alleges that some entities have been working for a very long time to selectively foment de-stabilizing movements in Europe.  "Selectively", being the operative word.  Please read the following report from RT and I will have final thoughts in comments to follow:

Putin on Catalonia: EU triggered rise of separatism by supporting Kosovo independence

EU countries bolstered separatist sentiment in Europe when they bowed to US pressure and supported Kosovo breaking away from Serbia. They now face such consequences as the Catalan crisis, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin says.
As for the situation with Catalonia, we have seen a unanimous condemnation of the independence supporters by the EU and a number of other states,” Putin said. “Regarding that, I have to say – you should have thought about it earlier.”

Did they not know about centuries-old contradictions of this nature in Europe? They knew, didn’t they? But at the time they de facto welcomed the disintegration of a number of states in Europe, with undisguised relish,” he added.
The EU’s “unanimous support of Kosovo’s secession” has proved a turning point, and Europe now faces the repercussions of short-sighted policies aimed at “pleasing the bigger brother from Washington,” Putin believes.

Putin mentioned the 2014 Crimean referendum, which led to the region’s secession from Ukraine and ultimately its reunification with Russia, as a development that was “disliked by many.
And now, there you have it – Catalonia, Kurdistan in another region, and the list might be far from complete,” he added.
It turns out that in the eyes of some of our colleagues, there are legitimate fighters for independence and freedom, and then there are separatists, who cannot defend their rights even through democratic procedures. Those like us say all the time that such double standards – and it’s a glaring example of double standards – are a serious threat to the stable development of Europe and other continents, to the implementation of integration processes worldwide,” Putin said.
Matters in Catalonia came to a head when local authorities pushed for the October 1 referendum, in the teeth of objections from Madrid, which deemed it illegal. The vote took place, despite a massive police crackdown on the separatists, and led to a standoff between Barcelona and Madrid. The local Catalan government declared “suspended independence” and called for dialogue, while the federal Spanish authorities urged the region to clarify its status.
In the most recent developments, Madrid threatened Barcelona with revocation of its autonomy via Article 155 of the constitution. The Catalan Government, in its turn, promised on Thursday to declare true, not-suspended independence if such a hostile move takes place.


So, in summary, I am opposed on general principle to the pro-independence movement in Catalonia. I cannot see how this tiny region (as beautiful and resource-rich as it may be) will fare any better off by itself than it is now--linked to the larger country of Spain. I think the people have been deliberately whipped into a frenzy of nationalism...just like the Ukrainians were in the square at Maidan...and probably by the same nefarious forces. Instability is the hallmark of the perps. Divide and conquer is their age old strategy. Why in the case of Catalonia? Because they can...first of all. But, considering more venal reasons...I believe the perps would like to "carpet bomb" sections of Christian Barcelona. Just like they are now doing in Raqqa, Syria, they would like parts of the city destroyed...and particularly the world famous UNESCO protected edifice of Sacrada Familia... I knew from the moment I saw that glorious basilica and walked through its supernatural looking interior...that the perps would never let it stand. They will never allow it to world-wide praise in 2026. The Catalonians are dupes if they can't see what this is all about. 

La Sagrada Familia
Putting Catalonia on the World Map

3 comments: said...

Hello Greencrow: First off, thanks for linking to my site. I will be adding your site to my list of "Interesting Places" later today.

Regarding Catalunya being another "Maidan", I don't know if this proves anything but my daughter is married to a Catalan and, as far back as 2001 when I visited Spain, the desire of Catalans to separate from Spain was strongly impressed upon me. They were miffed that their supposedly autonomous state was producing wealth that Spain proper was exploiting. They considered themselves a conquered nation, dragged into Spain against their will, and were also still stinging from the Franco era when they were not allowed to speak their own language, so that, even in 2001, they felt comfortable speaking Catala only when in conversation with other Catalans, and would automatically switch to Spanish if they learned, as in the case of my daughter who could actually speak Catala, that they were conversing with a non-Catalan person. In other words, they were still under some stress about their language. They strongly identified with the Quebec separatist movement.

It's good to read your take on it, though, because other outside factors may well have taken advantage of the Catalan innate desire for freedom from Spain. It's clear you are bending over backward to be objective and accurate. I don't want to be too simplistic either, but to both the Quebeckers and Catalans with whom I have spoken, it does seem very simple.

greencrow said...


Thanks for your comment and for linking my blot on your website. It is this kind of grassroots support that we bloggers give each other that is so important in these times of "server" and "platform" Internet oppression of truthtellers.

Yes, I wanted to bend over backwards when giving my views of the Independence Crisis in Catalan. I know a lot of Westerners are of the opinion that Catalan has the right to seek independence from Spain. The Catalonians, themselves, are surely of this opinion. But, I wonder why are these Independence-inclined minorities always Christian/Catholic? Think. The Ukrainians, the Quebeccers, The Serbians and the Catalans are all Christian/Catholic enclaves. That makes me ponder WHO would benefit from the chaos and political instability that already has/would surely envelop these nations should their independence notions be realized?

I believe that these insurrections are actually orchestrated by the "usual suspects". They manipulate humanity's predilection for egotistical expressions of cultural "distinctness" to sow discord in a society. The pride of Spain and of Catalan Barcelona is surely the Catholic Cathedral--La Sagrada Familia. IMO, the very first edifice that will be reduced to rubble in any conflict between the Catalans and Spain will be Gaudi's masterpiece. There has already been at least one failed attack on the building. ALL of the independence movements mentioned above are meant to destroy Christian cultures. This is why I am opposed to the Catalan Independence Movement. said...

Hi again Greencrow:

As far as I know, Catalunya is a little over 50% Catholic, and, according to one report, a large number of Catholic clergy have accepted the referendum as valid and are not against secession if that's what wanted -- and if it's done through dialogue.

But isn't Spain itself largely Catholic? My impression has always been that the Catalan position is more about language and economics than about religion. Quebec too.

You're right; it would be a terrible shame if the Gaudi architecture was destroyed, and worse would be the human losses if Spain resorted to a military solution. But the Catalan protests have been deliberately non-violent,and Spain has come in for a lot of criticism over the brutal attempt to put down the referendum process. One can't say the same for the violent Soros-type Ukraine uprising and the neo-Nazi element showing itself -- which not incidentally still lies just under the surface of Spanish life, judging by some of the anthems and salutes that were videoed in Madrid at the height of the Catalan protests.

Even more surprising that it was Spanish young people doing it. My daughter was given to understand that it's the old folk who still love Franco.

Me, I haven't a clue which way this thing should go, but I'm of the persuasion that if any person/group wants freedom and is willing to pay whatever price is exacted, then they should go for it. It will be very interesting to see how (if) this thing gets resolved.