Tuesday, July 11, 2017

CBC polls its comments forum trolls and discovers that most Canadians approve of torture

Omar Khadar as a 15 year old

According to a recent CBC public opinion poll, Canadians have suddenly morphed into a blood thirsty nation....relishing the torture of a 15 year old boy and his imprisonment for years in solitary confinement far from his home.  Canadians, unable to acknowledge their own laws, and Charter of Rights, believe Khadar brought his fate on himself.. and doesn't deserve a nickel of compensation for the medical neglect, torture, and solitary confinement--based on an illegal foreign war for regime change and resource (opium) theft.  This shocking CBC public opinion poll is a sharp 180 degree turnaround from years of similar polls on this topic.  What has happened to Canadians?  Please read the report and I will have more thoughts in comments to follow:

Majority of Canadians oppose Omar Khadr settlement, poll suggests

Most Liberals, New Democrats and 91% of Conservatives feel $10.5 million settlement was wrong

More than two-thirds of Canadians feel Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made the wrong choice in awarding a $10.5 million settlement to Omar Khadr, according to a new poll by the Angus Reid Institute.
And while the survey shows that a majority of Liberals and New Democrats are opposed to the government's decision, how the numbers compare to previous polling suggests that views on Khadr have hardened over the last decade — and that he remains a divisive figure

More than two-thirds of Canadians feel Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made the wrong choice in awarding a $10.5 million settlement to Omar Khadr, according to a new poll by the Angus Reid Institute.
And while the survey shows that a majority of Liberals and New Democrats are opposed to the government's decision, how the numbers compare to previous polling suggests that views on Khadr have hardened over the last decade — and that he remains a divisive figure
The poll was conducted by the Angus Reid Institute (ARI) between July 7 and 10, in the wake of news that the government had reached a financial settlement with Khadr and had apologized for the Canadian government's role in his incarceration and torture at the Guantanamo Bay U.S. military prison.
Fully 71 per cent of respondents agreed the government had "done the wrong thing" and should have fought Khadr in court, where he was suing the government for $20 million for breaching his civil rights.
Only 29 per cent believed the government did the right thing, and just 35 per cent believed Trudeau had no choice but to offer the apology and financial compensation.
This disapproval with the government's decision extended to Trudeau's own supporters: 61 per cent of Canadians who said they voted Liberal in 2015 felt that the wrong decision had been made. That increased to 64 per cent among NDP voters.

Conservatives are most opposed

But opposition was greatest among Conservatives, with just 9 per cent thinking the right decision had been made. The poll also found 69 per cent of Conservative voters would have offered nothing to Khadr — compared to less than a third of Liberals and New Democrats.
Just under 40 per cent of supporters of those two parties would have offered Khadr an apology and financial compensation were they in the government's shoes, while another 27 to 30 per cent would have offered an apology.
Nationwide, 29 per cent of Canadians would have offered Khadr an apology and compensation while 25 per cent would have only apologized. Forty-three per cent of respondents would have offered him nothing.

Views long-standing, hardening

That a significant segment of Canadians have little sympathy for Khadr is not new. In July 2008, a poll by Ipsos-Reid found that 60 per cent of Canadians believed Khadr should remain in U.S. custody and be tried there, with the remaining 40 per cent believing he should be brought back to Canada.
In January 2009, Nanos Research found that 45 per cent of Canadians had "no sympathy" for Khadr — a similar number to the share of Canadians in the ARI poll who would give Khadr neither compensation nor an apology.
In a poll conducted by Forum Research in May 2015, shortly after he had been released on bail from an Alberta prison, 34 per cent of Canadians said they had an unfavourable view of Khadr, compared to 20 per cent who had a favourable view of him. Here again, the partisan split was significant: 61 per cent of Conservatives had an unfavourable view of Khadr, while Liberals were split.

More see a potential threat

But ARI has found those who believe Khadr "remains a potential radicalized threat" has grown since his release. That number was 55 per cent two years ago, but has now grown to 64 per cent — including a slim majority of Liberals and New Democrats, and 83 per cent of Conservatives.
The poll suggests Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, in his fierce criticism of Trudeau's decision to settle with Khadr, is on the right side of public opinion — both among his base and in the broader population.
But while Canadians do not agree with the government's move, they widely believe the affair should have been avoided. According to the ARI poll, 74 per cent of Canadians agree that when Khadr was captured by U.S. forces as a 15-year-old, he was a child soldier and should have been handled like one in the first place.


All I can surmise, from the above poll numbers, is that the poll was rigged.  Looking at the comments accompanying the poll...it is the usual collection of paid comments forum trolls.  These must have been the same entities who were asked the survey questions.  

As I have informed my readers, I am banned from commenting on the CBC due to them wanting me to use my baptismal name...not my nom de plume of more than 15 years...greencrow.  Even though they have forum commenters posting under such names as "Howard Beale" and "John Henry" and professional trolls post under multiple ID's anyway, they want Canadians to conform to "official" views or be vulnerable to harassment.

I am going to flat out accuse the CBC of conducting and publishing a false poll.  I do NOT believe that Canadians are so stupid, backward and brutishI believe this poll was contrived to divert public attention from where it should be placed...on WHO within the Canadian Bureaucracy...committed the crime(s) that resulted in Khadr's torture and mistreatment.  This is what the media's role is in the systemic, cancer-like perversion of justice.... a distraction and a manufacturer of false "opinions".  Heaven forbid that true polls of public opinion should pressure the government to investigate the gross miscarriage of justice perpetrated on Mr. Khadar...., and Mr. Mahar Arar...and Mr. Nuttall and Ms. Korody...and the father and daughter who had their business and reputations destroyed!  If that were to happen...the perpetrators would not be able to repeat such travesty in the future.

As I said in a previous post.  Unless and until Canadians get to the bottom of this serial, wanton corruption and perversion of our laws...coming from powerful criminal forces acting anonymously and with impunity from within our governmental bureaucracy...we are DONE as a nation!


wallflower said...

Here is some "background" about Ipsos...

["Thank you for participating in this survey. We are trying to understand investors’ needs and preferences so we can better serve our clients. There are no wrong answers to most questions – it is your opinions that are most important to us. All answers will be kept confidential and combined with those of others participating in the survey.

For security purposes, to enter the survey, please provide the email address where you received the survey invitation from Charles Schwab.

If you would like to confirm the authenticity of the survey, please contact Jan Vaughn (jan.vaughn@schwab.com) at Schwab’s office in Phoenix, Arizona.

Please enter below the e-mail address where you received the survey invitation to begin the survey."]

["Ipsos Group S.A. (French pronunciation: ​[ip.so])[3] is a global market research and a consulting firm with worldwide headquarters in Paris, France. The company was founded in 1975 by Didier Truchot, Chairman and CEO, and has been publicly traded on the Paris Stock Exchange since 1 July 1999.

Since 1990, the Group has created or acquired numerous companies throughout the world. In October 2011, Ipsos acquired Synovate, resulting in a newly combined Ipsos organization that ranks as the world’s third largest research agency. As of 2014, Ipsos has offices in 88 countries, employing 16,530 people.[1][4]"]

["Market research (also in some contexts known as Industrial Research) is any organized effort to gather information about target markets or customers. It is a very important component of business strategy.[1] The term is commonly interchanged with marketing research; however, expert practitioners may wish to draw a distinction, in that marketing research is concerned specifically about marketing processes, while market research is concerned specifically with markets.[2]

Market research is one of the key factors used in maintaining competitiveness over competitor..."]

It appears that the so-called surveys to "condone torture" are actually based on commerce...and to a more extent...E Commerce i.e. Internet. It is my sole suspicion that the only surveys that were purportedly done were from the investment sector and not the "public sector". Hence the connection with Charles Swab.

["The Charles Schwab Corporation is a bank and brokerage firm, based in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1971 by Charles R. Schwab. It is on the list of largest banks in the United States and is one of the largest brokerage firms in the United States. The company provides services for individuals and institutions that are investing online. The company offers an electronic trading platform for the purchase and sale of financial securities including common stocks, preferred stocks, futures contracts, exchange-traded funds, options, mutual funds, and fixed income investments. It also provides margin lending, and cash management services. The company also provides services through registered investment advisers..."]

It is blatantly apparent with all atrocities caused by aggression of war by invasion, occupation, theft, and chaos...that the end means bring profits. So of course this survey would show the (investing markets all made possible by Schwab)polls being in favor of torture, murder, war, invasion, occupation, theft, lawlessness and evil. An abomination of desolation. The few millions in hush money is only a drop in a bucket compared to the trillions in rivers of blood.

james@wpc said...

Thank you, Wallflower, for your research and for providing us with it. I especially appreciate your conclusions which are inescapable once you have laid it out as you have. My thanks again.

james@wpc said...

And thank you Greencrow for your article. You lay out the case well for the public being hoodwinked with a blatant piece of propaganda (lies).

The psychopaths are planning on a war. This much is plain.

greencrow said...

Hi Wallflower and James:

Thank you both for your comments. I feel desolate that my country has abandoned the most basic principles of civil society. Knowing that others understand what is really going on here...and also condemn this behaviour makes it somewhat more bearable.


greencrow said...

Just to let readers know that Northerntruthseeker has copied a link to this post and has, in a post of his own, elaborated on the details of the Omar Khadar case. His post is very good:


My premise, however, is that the Khadar case, rather than being a "unique" set of circumstances...is one of a pattern of similar cases...all ending up with Canadian taxpayers shouldering the payment of "compensation" packages to Canadians whose basic civil rights were denied and transgressed.

IMO, this is what the Liberal government doesn't want to admit or deal with. It does NOT want an investigation, whether governmental, police, or journalistic. This is why all the fancy footwork re rigged polls and such.

Ed(itor) said...

"... People living in western countries need to realize that their governments are literally waging wars on them....."


We are all in the same boat, GC.

Ed(itor) said...

P.S.: My worldview might be skewed at the moment from having been immersed in the books "Journey Into Madness" by Gordon Thomas, Colin Ross' treatises on MK-Ultra, Painting's "Aberration in the Heartland..." et alia.

wallflower said...

I'm treading carefully because I'm not Canadian...however, because Mr. Khadr's unlawful imprisonment was on behalf of the occupying power that exists in Afghanistan, I felt compelled to look into the deep well of deception(s). Here is yet another of many "polls" that were taken about Mr. Khadr's Compensaion which in itself explains the manipulation to make "policy". I have never believed in these bogus polls...ever. They are just another deception of democracy that people believe that they have.


...and here is the supposed survey that all Canadians received in their mailbox.


Here is what you read before answering muliple-choice questions...

["Omar Khadr Survey – July 2017
Omar Khadr is a Canadian citizen who was arrested in Afghanistan in 2002 for allegedly killing an
American soldier. He was 15 years old at the time. His father, Ahmed Said Khadr, was reportedly a
founding member of the al-Qaeda terrorist group, and died in a 2003 shootout near the Afghanistan
Omar Khadr spent ten years at the US prison in Guantanamo Bay. While there, he pleaded guilty to
several charges and was convicted by an American military tribunal. He has since said the guilty plea was
made under duress.
In 2010, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the Canadian government of the day acted
unconstitutionally after Khadr’s arrest, and that it is partly responsible for his continued imprisonment in
Guantanamo Bay.
He was transferred to a prison in Alberta in 2012 and released on bail in 2015 while appealing his US

IF indeed anyone even knew about (the truth of) Omar Khadr...would they not be an unbiased survey taker? If there ever was one?


From 1979 to 2001, he was founder and CEO of Angus Reid Group, a market research supplier that grew into the largest research firm in Canada, with revenues of $60 million. It was sold to Ipsos in 2000, to later operate as Ipsos-Reid. Operations in Canada still continue under the name Ipsos[9] as the Canadian arm of the global Ipsos Group.

In 2004, he became CEO of Vision Critical,[10] a software development company.[11] Shortly after, he created Angus Reid Strategies (which integrated with Vision Critical)[12] to apply Vision Critical’s technologies to market research.[13] In 2011, Angus Reid became the Chairman at Vision Critical.[14]

In 2014, Reid retired from Vision Critical to found the Angus Reid Institute,[15] a not-for-profit organization dedicated to the advancement of public opinion research in Canada on critical social, economic and policy issues.[16]

***It is my belief that these polls/surveys that are well connected with media, tax haven charities, and ultimately government policy are simply none other than manipulative propaganda deceiving the public whilst making laws/policy. Just reading the first few paragraphs of the survey tells all. And like you mentioned GC, the word patsy comes to mind and also tool...because we simply don't know where the money is ending up. Their main goal (government) is to make policy according to these surveys by using the media as their conduit.

ps...my pleasure james@wpc.